In this episode, William Tincup interviews Israel Gutierrez, Vice President of Talent Acquisition at Axios. They discuss the progress and challenges of DEI in the workplace, with a focus on the importance of accurate data and measurement.

Israel shares his thoughts on the strides made in DEI since around 2014-2015 when large organizations like Google and Facebook began investing heavily in DEI programs and sharing their reports. He believes that a playbook has been developed that can be tailored to individual companies, helping them to create strong DEI principles in the workplace and recruiting.

When asked about areas that need improvement, Israel points out the need for accurate data in DEI initiatives. He expresses his desire to see the evolution of DEI tools, platforms, and analytics over the next few years, particularly in terms of measuring the effectiveness of various programs.

The conversation also covers the importance of integrating DEI practices into an organization's culture and standard operating procedures, so that they become a natural part of everyday operations. They discuss the idea of progress in DEI being a "relentless pursuit" and the value of measurement in understanding where an organization stands in its DEI journey.